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10-01-2004, 02:59 PM
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Let's talk about the Debates.
Hi Folks,
After hearing all of the Talking Heads on TV/Radio and reading posts from different message boards, it has become apparent to me that most people are not Paying Attention. Even worse, most people don't know much about the War in Irag, the War on Terror, and other International Events. Kerry tried to come across as knowledgeable and presidential but he actually told half-truths, lies, and also contradicted himself. Here are points that Kerry made in the debate that people have to keep in mind when deciding who they will vote for in November: 1. Kerry said throughout the debate that Saddam was not a threat and then when President Bush asked him toward the end of debate whether Saddam was an imminent threat, he replied "Yes, Saddam was a threat". THAT IS A CONTRADICTION. 2. Kerry stated that he only TALKED about the $87 Billion for the troops but in fact he VOTED NO. The last time I checked, VOTING on an important issue such as funding for our troops is not just TALKING, but is an ACTION. I think this is a HALF-TRUTH. 3. Kerry stated that 90% of all casualties in Iraq are US soldiers but in fact US casualties are less than 50% now according to Iragi and US officials. Again, Kerry has LIED to the public. 4. Kerry stated that WMDs are being transported across the borders every day. First of all, I don't know of any sources that can confirm this statement. Second, what is he talking about WMDs moving across borders? Wouldn't you think President Bush and other world leaders would have done something already if it were true? This is another LIE from Kerry. So, those were SOME of the lies, contradictions, and half-truths that Kerry used to look Presidential and Knowledgeable. He was well scripted that is my opinion. Kerry told people what they wanted to hear wilhe President Bush on the other hand spoke from the heart. President Bush has a plan to win the War/Peace in Iraq and the War on Terror. Kerry has no plan, he is just deceving us with his own facts and pointing fingers. My hope is that people will come to realize that Kerry is not a stable candidate because he is not resolute nor is he strong on his positions. He is a political opportunist at best. Thank you. Mickeyt 
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10-02-2004, 12:58 AM
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The best part was when Kerry said something along the lines of the grand coliation being Britian, America, Australia. Bush came back with "You forgot Poland and the 30 other nations in Iraq". Bush cleary made the point that Kerry wouldnt help the war on terror or Iraq with his attitude.
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10-02-2004, 01:58 PM
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Look at cheney.His company Halliburton receives hundreds of millions dollars in no bid contracts from the federal government. bush is the only president to have job creating a DEFICIT during thier turm since Hoover.We went from a 300 MILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS to a 473 MILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT!!!!!! Do you want more of the same?????Not to mention the 43 Million people in the USA without health care.The most in history.Give me a break! This is the most important election of our lifetime.Open up your eyes! God Bless American!
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10-02-2004, 03:17 PM
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Deficit; we're in a time of war. Health care; want a socialist government, go to Canada. Maybe that surplus should have been used before we were in the situation we are in now. You dont know what the future will bring; so calling this the most important election of a lifetime is ridiculous. Recession started while Clinton was in term; 9-11 destroyed the market; raising the taxes is not going to help untill the economy has fully recovered. Kerry has the wrong attitude on the war and the wrong plan for the economy. God bless America; and thank him Gore isnt president.
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10-02-2004, 03:38 PM
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10-02-2004, 03:42 PM
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Kerry Is Our Next President Of The Usa Hurray!
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10-02-2004, 03:47 PM
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Im glad you know everything about Cheney and Bush, glad you can tell the future, but you must be crazy to think Clinton was the smartest president. Sounds like you dont know what the hell you are talking about, im almost embarrassed for you.
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10-02-2004, 03:56 PM
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KERRY'The MAN for the job
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10-02-2004, 04:07 PM
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Everyone vote for KERRY
Look at that debate.bush looked like a little child that was being scolded for doing bad things.Bush can't be running the white house on his own.He can't even hold a intelligent discussion.Did you know that your prsident had to go to detoxe for alchohol addiction.He is a converted drunkand who knows what else.Once a drunk always a drunk.Thats how i see it.We need JOHN KERRY for President a strong leader.Remember to vote in the most important election in our lifetime.
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10-06-2004, 02:16 PM
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Blue,
Perception is dictated by your knowledge of the subject. Putting blinders on and following your candidate is just what Machiavelli describes in his book the "Prince". Or "how to attain power" Ten percent knowledge and 90 percent conjecture. It is amazing to me how many people are happy to follow. Why do you think it was against the law during slavery to educate a slave. Keep the people blaming someone and they will support you. Worked for Hitler. It also works for the cool-ade sipping liberals. Kerry and his malpractice lawyer friend are happy to blame the pharms for the cost of medicine. Fact the cost of drugs is only 10% of the cost of health care. Did you know that Merck made a decision to give away a drug that will stop the spread of river blindness for free. The major portion of the cost is malpractice insurance. It is no lie when it was reported that many doctors are shutting their doors or limiting their practice because of it. Why should a company develop a cure if they are not compensated for it? Why should you be able to make more than someone else? Why should someone make less than you? Do you want to be penalized for working hard? How much taxation is enough? By your retoric you seem to be able to afford more. Have you volunteered to give more? Why not put the under insured on your policy? Health care is not an inalienable right contrary to what somepeople believe. THe American people have many choices most go for the lesser of two evils or make a statement by voting for a third party candiate. The reasons people select their preference are not any more valid than the debates. People I have talked to are in the party of their choice because their parents were. Union people are mostly Democrats because the union tells them to. It is called Social Norming- Flocking together with people that you want to be associated with, or find that your not rejected by them. The others can be compared to the study by Stanley Milgram in the "The Perils of Obedience". Where the student blindly follows the authority figure and shocks the disobedient to death. They then blame the authority figure because they were just following orders. Sounds like the Nuremberg trials after WWII. The debates give me a break. Obviously you have a computer and are on the internet. Get off those slanted political views and find out whats actullay going on. And I am willfully independent . Vote because the people are the government. I also support a national sales tax with food and basic needs exempt. nuf said. Last edited by Clary : 10-06-2004 at 05:41 PM.
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10-06-2004, 06:45 PM
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One more item.
[that your prsident had to go to detoxe for alchohol addiction.He is a converted drunkand who knows what else.Once a drunk always a drunk.Thats how i see it.
Blue, Is that really how you see it? In the strict terms of AA he is still a drunk but a sober one.(for over a decade) I read several news reports and he apparently quit on his own. Again I say 10% fact 90% fiction. Blanket statements are a fallacy. example all people breath air. on the surface it is true. indepth it is not babies in the womb don't neither do dead people. This is fun
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10-08-2004, 06:17 PM
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Ok I feel the need to chime in here regarding
Health care.
BlueSailor, although I respect your right to an opinion I must say that 99.9% of the individuals chiming in on healthcare have absolutely no idea what in the world they are talking about. As a physician, I an intimately familiar with the cost of mal-practice insurance, drug costs, fees, etc. At the beginning of this month I started working as an attending physician in our ER; that puts me on the frontline when it comes to mal-practice insurance costs. The only physicians that carry a higher insurance rate are surgeons. I am fortunate, the hospital pays 100% of my premiums, which by the way for this year are $22,800.00. Maybe that does not sound like a lot to you but if you consider the average charge for an attending in the ER is $125.00 I have to see 183 patients before my insurance is paid, not to mention my CME cl***es which are my responsibility, the cost of driving to and from work and my time at the hospital which these days is 18 hours a day. Do you have any idea what drives those costs? Lawsuits plain and simple. Drug companies also have to carry m***ive amounts of mal-practice insurance which are the highest in the medical industry. I will give you an example of the breakdown of the cost for the drug Coumadin, a blood thinner, which is directly responsible for saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of people a year: Average cost per mg .56 Insurance .37 Packaging and marketing .01 Distribution .10 dispensing .04 Profit .04 Your correct, the pharmacutical is getting rich  It is estimated that for every dollar awarded in mal-practice claims our premiums across the board go up 28% Medicine is ** NOT ** an exact science, there are some things which are just not within our control. The driving force behind insurance costs are the accessorial charges that have nothing to do with actually seeing a physician. The paperwork cost alone for processing an insurance claim for you is over $100.00. It is why in some cases hospitals are giving a discount if you pay at the time of service. National healthcare is not the solution either. When people do not have to pay for something they lose sight of what the true costs are and I can tell you that national healthcare will not only restrict access and treatments but it will cost you anywhere from 10 to 25 percent more in taes within 5 years. I will admit that the insurance companies do their level best to keep costs down and sometimes that interferes with appropriate treatments. However, tossing the baby out with the bathwater is not the way to solve the problem. Christine A. Kaplan, MD
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10-08-2004, 06:40 PM
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I think Bush has a good chance of losing.
Max
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10-10-2004, 01:46 PM
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10-11-2004, 03:18 PM
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My comment
That the parms were getting rich was TONGUE IN CHEEK mind you, .04 per miligram when the avg cost is .56 is not much profit.
As it relates to how transportation companies view their margin, this would equate to an O/R of .929 . See HC, I am learning something! A profit margin on a drug of .04 per miligram is, as my mother would say "Slim Pickins" Christine A. Kaplan, MD
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Anyway i just though put in my two cents.See you
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